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this is an old au that ive been thinking more about because @ladyblargh made THIS post and ive been talking to @kulekrizpy and now @sphenodontia has made THIS post and now you all have to see my own quadrant headcanons.
what can i say the time is ripe
I don’t have time to go as in depth as i want to but heres the one I feel like I have to convince you of:
i gotta go but I’m right and ill die for CHLOE ♠ MARINETTE ♣ ADRIEN
anyways this makes for the messiest, stupidest reveal
It’s been a long time since I was a Homestuck, and I never actually understood ashen very well, but I definitely remember that it was a three-person relationship. So does the first image mean that Marinette is mediating between Adrien and Chat? Or that Adrien and Chat both want Marinette to mediate between them and someone else/want someone else to mediate between them and Marinette?
The two panels at the bottom are clearly suggesting that Adrien would mediate between Marinette and Chloe, but I don’t know what the situation with Chat would be.
The chart is about how they feel towards each other, not what relationship they’re in! I should have specified, haha. Here’s what’s going on:
Marinette (and consequently also ladybug) is flush for adrien but pale for chat noir. Adrien (and consequently also chat noir) is flush for ladybug but has an ash crush on marinette (and chloe, but she’s not in the lovesquare so she doesn’t get to be in my diagram.)
theres not a huge amount of precedent in homestuck canon for what an ash relationship looks like, or how you even have an ash crush, like so i’m taking some liberties… and twisting things to root adrien’s ash feelings in caring about chloe and marinette rather than being annoyed at them.
maybe he’s a little annoyed. Chloe is his oldest friend and he knows she can be too much, but she’s also capable of being better, and deserves kindness. Marinette is incredible but when she lets chloe get under her skin she can be so sharp. he wants to give them a good talking to, but romantically. and make sure they are nice to each other, on a candle-lit date. He wants to put them in the get-along shirt when they are to mean, and make them appreciate the good qualities he can see in them.
Note: I started this theorizing train of thought even before Gorizilla came out, so excuse random inconsistencies if I missed some. Also some of the theorizing may seem irrelevant now hehe.
I’m sorry, but it’s so her. And because I’m theorizing like crazy and I’m coming up with this as I write it mostly, lol, time for random bullet lists amongst paragraphs because I get bored otherwise.
Okay, so first off, a picture of Mayura. Most of us–except the spoiler-free extraordinaire ppl still out there (I respect you guys so much, btw)–have already seen this picture.
Okay, so immediately 2000x more intimidating than Hawkmoth, and even without this concept art, Hawkmoth is already seen as a joke by most of the fandom at this point in s2, I think. He was a lot more kickass in the first episode of s2, but he’s slowly been losing more and more control. At first, it was scary and epic (Robostus betrayal–missile crap). Now it’s just ridiculous (Gigantitan). This guy really doesn’t know what he’s doing.
Although he is acting increasingly more psycho and “evil” as the season goes on
Him taking Nooroos mouth away even for a second and joking about it saying “I’m not that cruel” just highlights how incredibly cruel he really is and how he doesn’t think there is anything too wrong with his actions.
Him realizing he’s hurting Adrien, (which in Gorizilla, and Riposte, Adrien was also a clear target but with the possibility he was Chat in the former, apparently Gabriel didn’t care as much) to the point where he vows to stop going after the miraculous, and then immediately going back the first opportunity he gets? This also demonstrates his increased evil.
It never really explained what he planned to do to Adrien should he be Chat
I don’t think he’d like kill him but I wouldn’t put it past Gabriel if he decided to lock him up somehow
Looking back at season 1, after we know his motive of getting Emilie back, he seemed to be actively trying to get their miraculous, sure, but he didn’t seem as hell-bent on hurting people in the process. That seemed more like a con than a pro being he’s such a good man :)
But now? He not only seems increasingly chill about hurting people, he seems like that part is a plus.
I can’t really reference a specific scene here, but as season 2 goes on his decreased empathy and increased heartlessness just seemed like a continuing, increasing trend
It’s subtle, but the feeling is there.
Still, even if he’s becoming more evil, as of right now he isn’t getting anywhere closer to obtaining the miraculous, really.
the closest he’s gotten is in Troublemaker and Dark Owl where ladybug’s transformation partially dropped.
Welllp not any closer except maybe other than that plan he’s been planning for a really long time, lol I’m making fun of the wording because I can. (referring to season 2 description when it was first coming out if anyone remembers).
But wait, before I continue, what if he brings Mama Agreste back at the end of season 2 and that’s why Mayura’s introduced then? What if my theories about her being evil below are wrong and bringing her back actually foreshadowed her losing her kind personality, not the death of Adrien or whatever and now she’s bad? Like really, really bad. And Gabe’s all happy and she’s just “shut it, get ur crap together we’re taking over the world” and he’s all like “wth babe?”
Or what if she was always evil but now Gabe brings her back not really realizing she’s nuts. And she immediately takes charge and “makes” him–with things I’ll explain later–do her dirty work? And it’s dirtier work? And maybe, unlike Hawkmoth, she stays completely off the radar. Like, Paris knows about Hawkmoth, right? He announced himself and his intentions publicly in Origins, either cause he’s stupid, it was part of the plan, or he really thought it’d be that easy. Thing is, they know he’s a threat and they even know his head shape lmao. What if they know absolutely nothing about her? And she drags LB and CN or just the heroes in general in and attempts to take them down without them ever knowing about her? Though I feel like Fu or Marinette would figure something out, as long as they communicate with Chat or Plagg before then.
Or maybe something happens with the wish (to bring Mama Agreste back) and Adrien’s kindness is taken away?
Even if not through magic, I don’t think he can take his mother being evil too, after all he’s been through, so he might for real lose his kindness, at least temporarily.
Or at least enough not to trust LB or want to be on her side necessarily anymore because he really doesn’t care one way or the other rn because all humans are crap, he realizes, if even his mom is. His dad he could understand, but her too? And she’s worse?
So what if he really does go to the dark side? For a little bit. I get he loves his dad and stuff but I’m not convinced he’d betray his Lady for him, tbh, like all the theories say. But his mom? We’ve seen how much he loves her. I think he’d hand every single one of his classmates over in a heartbeat to her, no matter her intention. For his blind love for her, he might ignore the bad feeling all this gives him. Though he’d definitely make her promise not to hurt them, or some bull promises like that that she has no intention of keeping.
Or maybe like, Mayura isn’t open about her evil and pretends to be on the “good side” to Adrien and he’s naive and loves his mom so, so much and believes her anyway, despite what he sees her do and against his better judgment. This directly goes along with my theories below of why Adrien loves her so much. Cause it isn’t actually love. I least I don’t predict it is. I think she’s actually really controlling. We haven’t seen any Adrien/Mama Agreste interactions yet, only pictures, so we can’t decide her behavior yet. And we all know Adrien’s oblivious. By a certain point, because he felt she was all he had, he stopped questioning her entirely. And then she disappeared.
But maybe she’s really good at making herself seem innocent, though, so much so no one ever expects her and I’m gonna explain this later whoops (more on that later)
Oh, boy. I remember when Chat Blanc was a huge thing for me. Akumaization is one thing. Actual, willing switch of sides? Oh my ahsuddndnjd.
I mean, of course Chat won’t be evil.
But he may fight against LB for a while.
I can’t believe I’m taking this (^) as foreshadowing too now with the rainbow thing because I’m honestly sick of seeing it. I thought it was just because LB was on one side and Chat on the other far end, kinda showing how their powers are stronger and that they kind of, you know, cradle or herd in the other 5 miraculous in? Idk, anymore.
I do know this show has a heck of a lot more plot than anyone could have guessed. And I think that not even the half of it has been even hinted at, I don’t think–even amidst the spoilers–let alone revealed.
Anyway. It’d be different if Chat was beside the turtle. I know his color doesn’t fit, but then again, maybe they planned his color this way to get a chance to hint at his involvement with the baddies. Or, you know, they could have given Chat Noir his rightful green. (I get they’re getting the colors that were in the giant miraculous box Master Fu has; does that make it fair? No. No, it doesn’t.) Then we could assume Chat was where the goodies ended, and Mayura was where the baddies began. But the creators made a point of putting him on the far end. Deep in with the bad guys.
Honestly, despite earlier comment, I still have a hard time believing Adrien would side with Hawkmoth any time soon or ever, actually. But, we already know Hawkmoth’s identity, and I heard a Mayura hint was supposed to be in this opening. So maybe this is proof she’s an Agreste?
This isn’t even far-fetched really.
Although, the same could be said for Natalie if all I’m proving is a connection with Adrien and Gabriel. More on that later.
So onto the why it ain’t Nathalie tho stuff
So I totally get why people think it’s Nathalie.
I mean, her last name is literally “heartless” in French.
but there be some issues with that theory.
To start, I always liked Natalie and throughout season 1 I got the impression she really cared for Adrien. But I saw a different side of her in The Collecter–suddenly more distanced, more professional, and most of all, more cruel. And all of the sudden, to me, her behavior and just how she acted–and the fact she MOST DEFINITELY knows about Hawkmoth’s identity–made her a really likely and interesting candidate for the Peacock miraculous. So I almost wish (I sometimes really wish) the possibility of her being Mayura wasn’t immediately crap (IMO) because of her eye shape, for starters.
Even the quill/pen and fan remind me of her tablet and maybe her
stylus (if she has one), you know? And she does wear a turtleneck that
could possibly cover the brooch, so I definitely think the creators are
trying to make us think it’s her. Or at least help us doubt it’s mama Agreste. Also Nathalie’s color scheme matches,
so I can understand why some think it’s Nathalie (I did myself at one
time–see above) but the possibility is all but impossible to me.
Another thing.
Thomas said, somewhere, that Mayura would make Hawkmoth seem like a “baby” in comparison, and that she would also be the boss of him.
While it may seem plausible that the assistant takes control of her boss, Nathalie has not ever been shown in this way–(i.e. power hungry) even if I question her choices at times.
A recent scene in the Style Queen trilogy makes my point stronger, I believe
She’s quite obviously distressed and disappointed in Gabriel’s decision to continue using the Butterfly miraculous.
Nathalie pretty much doesn’t “talk back” to Daddy Agreste, but here she mentions “You said you were going to stop.” She sounds, eng dub at least, almost annoyed by his decision. To him, the only indication of the length at which she’s upset with his choice is her resigned undertone. She kind of very lightly lets him know she doesn’t support this, but just when he explains he just can’t let this go, she again places herself in a non-rebelling, complicit role to his actions.
A huge deal about Nathalie, which ties in with the “heartless” name, is that she won’t let anyone know how she really feels about something. She acts emotionless, and almost bored, about everything around her. To be honest, this is the first instance I remember where she clearly shows emotion, and it’s when there’s no one else to see it.
So despite presenting herself as complicit, once she’s out of his sight, she reveals her true distress over the situation by her sad, defeated expression and body language. So, knowing this, knowing that she doesn’t want Gabriel to continue his quest for the miraculous,
What motive would Nathalie have?
She obviously has feelings for Gabriel. Heck, even if it isn’t explicitly romantic interest, she cares for both Agreste boys very much, at least on a family-like level. She and Gabriel are obviously very close (her being allowed to know his identity–also intimate hug *coughs*) and apparently, it’s simply communicated as a strange bond of friendship between them.
Her motive for helping him along with being Papillion is because she loves him, and she loves Adrien.
Her reasoning for being upset about Gabriel being Hawkmoth would be
it’s crazy, it isn’t right, and it’s hurting people.
Adrien’s safety
also, why would she want Emilie back? She isn’t trying to stop him from getting her back, but somehow I feel like she’d rather he cut his loses and live the rest of his life with Adrien and maybe her
So, again, what motive would Nathalie have? Should she be Mayura, wouldn’t she be upset about Gabriel quitting, not him continuing? Wouldn’t she want him to continue?
Additionally, even if it were plausible that Nathalie supposedly became Mayura to help Gabriel speed up the process of getting Emilie back and so Adrien and everyone else in Paris could finally be safe, it still doesn’t explain why Mayura is “in charge”.
Nathalie, with a miraculous or not, would not be the greater evil between her and Papillion and I can’t be convinced otherwise until (if) the show proves me wrong.
Besides, seemingly emotionless or not, we know Nathalie. Her being Mayura just doesn’t feel right.
Given what we’ve heard of Emilie, it doesn’t seem right for her to be evil either, right? But that’s the thing: we’ve never met Emilie, never heard her speak, never seen her interactions with anyone. We know nothing about her. And, as I’ll explain below, the only information we have is from Adrien and Gabriel, who are both incredibly biased to begin with, and they could very much be victims to her manipulation.
So anyway, just bear with me assuming Nathalie isn’t Mayura for the time being, with just those couple of thoughts to help.
Next is something important, symbolically, but kind of a really deep (overly deep probably) analysis:
So, to start off, why is Mayura’s suit the way it is?
You know, Mayura doesn’t technically wear a mask, and yet her transformation changes her the most, for sure. No other miraculous we’ve seen has changed skin color like that, I’m convinced that isn’t her true hairstyle or color, her eye color changes, and then she also has the costume.
Can’t really tell if her hair is truly short or if it’s just the angle and she has a bun. In some ways, I’d vote short hair that kind of flairs at the backends, but it could be a bun because the drew the hair around her head to look kinda tight–almost like it’s pulled back into a bun or something. Now I can’t decide which would be better. Though, most (including myself) have thus far imagined her with short hair.
Mayura’s suit changing her the most makes sense: she wants to, and needs to, remain hidden the most out of all of them.
If you recall, Plagg told Adrien in Frightengale that the suit design and transformation is what the holder wants.
Adrien’s flashy, with a bell and all that, and changes his appearance to fit probably what he’d rather have–or at least what he wished he had the option of having–which is an appearance that speaks wild, free, and playful.
Marinette’s transformation, similarly, doesn’t change her appearance at all really. She’s confident in who she is and has the freedom and courage to be who she wants without the mask, so her suit needn’t change her.
Hawkmoth’s transformation completely covers him, showing he is more careful about being noticed–and how it is more important to him that his identity remain a secret, but his suit still leaves him recognizable–hair is covered but isn’t evidenced as having changed, eye color and face shape and skin color remain the same.
Therefore, I believe it is in the interests of Mayura to remain as unrecognizable as possible–and her suit’s transformation shows this. Now, for obvious reasons her identity needs to remain a secret, such as the reasons for Hawkmoth, Chat Noir, Ladybug, Rena, and all the others. However, I believe she has an extra motive in being so covered. Heck, I think it’s even possible that Hawkmoth won’t even know her identity. I believe her extra coverage is descriptive of how she’s secret, mysterious, fake, and a lie. More on that later.
Anyway, the only way we can identify her is by her face/body shape. Well, Mama Agreste has really distinctive eyes. Their shape is upturned and kind of almond-like. That’s the main thing I notice, but her jawline is also similar. Lastly, even though we haven’t seen her entire body, it seems Mrs. Agreste is shown skinnier than most grown women
in the show,
(including Nathalie, though it could be the bulkiness of her pantsuit) and Mayura likewise appears slimmer.
Now the body shape thing is a stretch–since concept art defers from the final product and miraculous isn’t really consistent with body shapes untransformed and transformed–but the eye shape surely isn’t.
*sighs* Mayura looks so evil. Poor Chat
There are other physical and visual cues that hint Emilie is Mayura, but my point isn’t really proving it’s her, it is, assuming it is her, discussing her motives, purposes, and how it makes sense.
My real purpose of writing this: Mayura/Emilie’s Purpose, Motive, how it makes sense, etc.
So, to begin, just how much Adrien idolizes his mother is almost suspicious. Scarily suspicious. I get the kid loves her. I love my mom a lot too, lol. But it’s weird, don’t you think?
From the way they portray her–mostly from Adrien’s eyes, mind you–she seems to be especially kind and she obviously brought him the majority of his happiness whilst still being locked in his house.
But, pretty much from the get-go, she gave me a bad feeling
I feel like that scene at the beginning of the Collector (s2e1–where Gabe’s fussing at Adrien about the lost book) was just so…scary. Gabriel was actually intimidating, and yeah, I’d read a lot of fics where Adrien’s Dad threatened to take him out of school, but I never expected it to actually happen in the show. And so quickly too. The stakes were set 1000x higher 5 minutes into the episode, the first ep of the new season, and I really felt for Adrien here.
All our fears in fics about Gab’s reaction were confirmed and it hurt to watch, tbh. This season’s mood was immediately set: there’s more going on than you realize, and it’s getting serious now. But even though it wasn’t bad or scary by like, anything else’s standards, lol, this was from ml? And it shocked me so much that I immediately gasped at the shift in tone. Ik Thomas made fun of ppl asking if the show would get darker, but it already has, and not in a not-friendly-for-kid way but definitely in a thicker-plot sort of way.
Maybe…maybe she (along with Gabriel) closed Adrien off from the world to make him love/depend on her too much. Maybe she did that to Gabriel, too.
I saw a discussion where people were talking about how the cultural symbolism of these animals, so far, and to our knowledge, described their Miraculous abilities.
Okay, so now I’ve made theories, specifically originating fromthisand then I kind of went out from there. (I’ve like never read Reddit before, omg) you can scroll down to the reply by TheRationalDove that I read, but I’m just going to bold basically what’s important or stuck with me.
“So, when it comes to the Miraculouses power, it seems to be based on what the animal symbolizes/what humans associate with them. For example, ladybugs are symbols of good luck, so Ladybug has that power.Black cats are famous symbols of bad luck, so Cat Noir destroys things. Butterflies are associated with change due to their metamorphosis, so Hawk Moth’s powers allow him to change people. Foxes are often depicted as tricksters, but Volpina’s power draws specifically from the Japanese kitsune, which a mythical fox who can create illusions.
“For Le Paon, her powers would most likely be based on what a peacock symbolizes. And that depends on where you are in the world. In India, peacocks are famous for their fearlessness of snakes and they are often depicted as mounts of several Hindu dieties, most notably the god of war, Kartikeya. Peacocks are also associated with vanity, pride, vision (due to the eyespots on their tail feathers) and royalty. They were also thought to be immune to poison and purposeful consumed poisonous things to make their plumage more iridescent.
“So, what I’m getting out here is that Peafowl have a lot of different symbolism associated with them so it’s hard to pick one that is the most likely. In my opinion, the most likely choices are vision (you can give her the ability to see far distances or maybe even breifly into the future), pride(perhaps she is just really good at manipulating others), or immunity to poison (she can heal herself or have resistance to really damaging attacks)”
Dundundun
“Perhaps she is just really good at manipulating others” is literally the basis for all my thoughts on Mayura–Manipulation is absolutely key to my theories on this.
I think Emilie’s entire character, and everything involving her in the plot, has to do with her skill in manipulation.
(Note: I’m going to write my theories below as if they’re proven true because this is all speculation and my theories; we don’t know anything about her canonically, but I derived these thoughts from canon)
So back to my thoughts on how Adrien idolizes her. I know Gabriel’s trash, but I got to thinking. Adrien’s been locked away from the outside world entirely through being home-schooled. But the thing is, he’s been home-schooled his entire life, not just since his mom disappeared.
Adrien claims his father wasn’t as neglecting as he is now; before his mother disappeared he lived in a more stable and loving home, despite the fact he wasn’t allowed friends.
Yes, I can buy that Gabriel got worse after Emilie “disappeared”. But, really, given how unhappy Adrien must’ve been, for a while, about his situation where he couldn’t have friends and outside interaction while his mom was still there I think that, honestly, his view that his life was better with his mom around is mostly due to the brainwashing she provided him. She convinced Adrien it was okay he didn’t have friends, he’d always have her, etc. And he believed her, because he thought it was Gabriel who was the one who made the decision to lock him away in the house. Of course, Emilie made sure not to sound accusatory against Gabriel to Adrien, because if Gabriel would’ve caught onto that then her entire scheme would fail. She convinced Adrien his dad had decided to not allow him friends for his own good; Adrien pretended this was okay, because he loved his mom and didn’t want to upset her–or his dad for that matter, since he thought his father’s controlling actions were out of love–
even though he knew it wasn’t best for him since it hurt him so bad. On Gabriel’s end, Emilie had convinced him the home-schooling idea, etc. was his idea when in reality it was hers, just so her story would match up between them, she’d get what she wanted, and, from anyone else’s point of view, she would have been entirely innocent in the situation. If all failed and Adrien decided at some point he wasn’t happy with being alone, the backlash would fall upon Gabriel, not her, and Gabriel would be upset because he had thought it was his idea too. Either way, the blame would never fall to her for Adrien’s neglect.
Onto her disappearance. I believe, if it’s possible Emilie really is this way, that she could have planned and orchestrated the entire disappearance thing. Now, as of now, we don’t actually know what happened to her–obviously she didn’t actually go missing, because Gabriel has her, so this is really where my theory loses some traction because she may honestly be injured or something. I’m assuming, then, that whatever had happened to her happened through something magical–her and Gabriel were tampering with things they shouldn’t have been and she, supposedly, got hurt because of it. Best and easiest scenario aligning with the public’s (and Adrien’s) belief that she is missing. Reasons that Gabriel couldn’t tell the world what really happened because 1) the world cannot know of the miraculous openly, especially the Agreste’s connection to them and 2) he needed Emilie available to him so he can “fix” her (though she may not actually be in danger). Now, this is where she’s manipulating again. I believe that she could have faked her getting hurt or whatever’s put her to sleep in order to urge Gabriel to do what he’s doing now. The reason she plans all this just to have Gabriel do the work for her? She gets what she wants, the miraculous, and in everyone’s eyes, including her husband who is aware of the most, she was entirely innocent the entire time (even though, in reality, she orchestrated the entire thing).
I think Emilie could have planned the entire thing, for a long time. We don’t know when she and Gabriel got a hold of the peacock and butterfly miraculous; if their trip to Tibet was before or after Adrien’s birth, so I can’t say whether she was already power hungry at the time of them finding them or not (something evil would have already been brewing in her had Adrien been born at the time because she would have already begun entrapping him). But then again, what if she planned it even sooner than that? She and Gabriel take a trip to Tibet and “stumble” upon the miraculous (in reality that’s why she wanted to take a trip there–to find the miraculous). Alternatively, Emilie knew nothing of the gems before visiting Tibet, they really did simply stumble upon the book of miraculous and, from there, was where her power hungriness began. Either way, her and Gabriel come home with two miraculous and the
grimoire, her with a thirst for power and a plan to get some. (Edit: though Gabriel may have said she gave it to him as a gift on their trip, so maybe she always had the spell book in possession, and really did strategically travel to Tibet in order to obtain those two miraculous, the peacock and butterfly–these were, sadly for her, the only two she could find).
Something that hints at my idea of her faking her sickness, or whatever, to Gabriel is found at the end of Gorizilla here.
I used to think they weren’t showing any closer to her body case because they weren’t ready to reveal it being her in there. Now, I think they had another reason for not showing Emilie. At this time in Gorizilla, there’s a banging/clanging noise, then the distinct sound of a miraculous beeping. Of course, the fox, cat, ladybug, turtle, bee, and zodiac sign miraculous are with Master Fu or Marinette and Adrien at the time. Gabriel is shown to be with Adrien above, also accounting for the butterfly miraculous. That leaves the peacock miraculous. Nathalie has never been shown in Hawkmoth’s lair, and she had little influence is this episode (did she even appear?). Also, as I stated above, even if you believe Nathalie is Mayura, her motivation for being her wouldn’t have been until after she realized, for sure, that Gabriel would not stop until he got Emilie back. As I said before, I can see the possibility of Nathalie becoming Mayura simply to speed Hawkmoth’s victory along–but I determined this doesn’t seem likely anyway–but if that was her motivation what business would she have messing with a miraculous here?
So, I’ve concluded, the reason they don’t show Emilie here ^ (as they so easily did here, for example, see below pic) is because she wasn’t in the coffin thingy like she was supposed to be at the time. I’d possibly go so far as to say she made sure to get up specifically when she knew the showing of her film would be–and therefore the day both Adrien and Gabriel would be particularly distracted–so that she’d be safe from the threat of Gabriel catching her, awake and well.
And, to be honest, I get it. She looked really sweet to me in the pictures Adrien had of her before. But now that I think about it, I think it looks fake. And miraculous is a very visual show, so the picture tells a lot of the story too. If they wanna lowkey expose, or rather, hint at, a villainess’ identity through very, very subtle things like that, I’m sure they could pull it off. I think they already have.
Is it even necessary to mention the peacock-esque eyes on her painting?
The possible symbolism behind the fact that through these eyes Gabriel gets into his lair? That his identity as Hawkmoth is literally and figuratively through her? As in because of her? That these eyes could also symbolize she’s watching, always watching, because she’s manipulated everyone and everything into playing as her pawns in her power hungry scheme to gain the miraculous? Because it symbolizes she has more knowledge than anyone as to what’s happening?
Do I need to mention her sitting right beside the miraculous in Gabriel’s safe?
Do I need to mention the link between Gabriel’s comments about Emilie’s emotional behavior when Dusuu is the “emotional” kwami?
Even without these theories, I simply cannot believe that Emilie is simply Adrien’s mother, or simply Gabriel’s motivation. The mystery that surrounds her any time she’s mentioned in the show has to mean something more. She has to have more to her than being a plot device. The characters that “feel” important are usually the ones with miraculous, and it feels right here. Also, it’s a kid’s show. In kids shows, as we see demonstrated in Frozer, they aren’t going to dwell too long on the whole there are two options for affection (not including love-square because it’s the same two people). I do not feel like they’d show Nathalie in this intimate hug with Gabriel
Unless they were tryna give the audience a feel for her being a “replacement” for Emilie. I don’t feel they’d have Nathalie and Emilie be good people and pit them against each other like this in the show–(after all, marriage is more serious than, say, an ice skating date). Don’t get me wrong, if both were “good” people I don’t think they’d have them jealous over each other or anything. Should Emilie come back though, Nathalie is just going to have to get over her pain herself because obviously Gabriel would stay with Emilie, and that seems a little harsh whereas I believe the show’s supposed to have a happy ending. I feel like, once Emilie is defeated and all that, everyone will make peace and Nathalie will be a part of the Agrestes’ rebuilding. I think Nathalie will help “fix” Gabriel after everything’s over.
Tbh, I kinda think it’s ridiculous we’re discussing this because she so obviously looks just like Mama Emilie Agreste. (Says the person who has almost always thought it was her, forgot kind of due to Natalie Knows (And Is Chill About It) shock™, and entertained the idea of Natalie bossing Gabe around when he mistreats her so badly. This could be a great story–but her eyes don’t fit. My mind for three episodes straight was coming up with great stories that could accompany her being Mayura, but I srsly, really don’t think it’s her now, as I thoroughly explained above).
A grand total of about 1.23% of this theorizing is slightly likely to happen, the rest is practically guaranteed not to, but it’s fun to speculate so eh.
LAST THING: wouldn’t it be such sweet, cruel irony if Emilie was Mayura and was actually responsible for this? While I don’t think Chat will literally sneeze around Mayura, peacocks have feathers, which he’s allergic to, so couldn’t that symbolize how Adrien needs to stay away from her? How, if she really did all this, that she’s the source of his abuse and pain?
I had a thought…So Marinette doesn’t even entertain the possibility that Adrien could be Cat Noir because they act so differently. But Gabriel saw the ring and instantly started suspecting his son of being Cat Noir, despite the fact that he’s seen Cat Noir in action and knows how different they seem.
Which means at some point Gabriel thought to himself, “So if my sweet, calm, studious, obedient son was offered the responsibility of becoming a superhero and wielding a powerful and dangerous artifact; would he use it to become a leather-clad hooligan who cracks terrible jokes and flirts like he’s in a cliche shoujo anime?” and he concluded “Yes. He absolutely would.”
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