colossalbeltloop-art

THEORY TIME

EDIT: 10/15/18 9:34pm. Adding a few fixes, not to change any content; just to fix some hideous grammar and woefully shitty syntax. As well as expand a little on Audrey to be more fair.

Some rare, delectable theories regarding the finale of ML Season 2. I promise it will be an infrequent dish served maybe twice a year. This is still an art blog, and the next post will be just that.

For now, I wanna throw some inb4 ideas around and have fun seeing how it pans out with whatever eventually happens.

This is mostly regarding Mayura,her identity, and why that identity will determine the direction of the show till the end.

BUT ALSO. I want to explore why Mayura becomes a villain, and an unintended consequence she becomes for Hawk Moth.

This is gonna be a pretty big ass post. If none of this ends up happening, well…at least I hope it reads as an entertaining ficlet.

Grab a drink and enjoy.

—

A case for Nathalie:

WAIT. She’s Catalyst! She can’t be Mayura!

I think she follows one transformation with the next. For however long Gabriel has had his ultimate plan, it seems to have always involved Nathalie. I don’t think there’s any falling out, or her running away in grief. She’s loyal and complicit. Btw, Catalyst has a bomb ass helmet. Hope she gets a bomb ass bike.

So once she accomplishes her role as Catalyst, Gabriel renounces her and summons her back to move on to Phase II: becoming Mayura.

I can see Nathalie becoming emotional about this. It’s a huge advancement in him trusting her. Gabriel is acknowledging her on equal footing by promoting her as his right hand, his one and only confidant; not just an assistant that knows a dark secret. And while she is thrilled at the prospect of growing closer to him, she is torn knowing that the end goal is still putting his wife at his side again. For Nathalie, this issue could cascade into stronger, more possessive feelings for Gabriel. She might convince herself that she knows him more intimately than Emilie at this point. She feels entitled to him, but she can’t have him. Thus, intrigue begins to enter into the mix.

~~CAN’T SEE HOW THIS WON’T IMPLODE IN YOUR FACE GABRIEL.~~

So how can I say any of this, considering official statements about her being his “boss,” and making Hawk Moth look like a “baby” ?

First, I’m fairly certain that both of these things were said by Jeremy Zag, especially the “boss” statement. English is not his first language, and if you’ve ever heard him speak, this is evident.

Incidentally, Thomas Astruc said Mayura would be an ally; one Hawk Moth can call upon it would seem, very often.

Assuming Zag didn’t speak incorrectly, I actually think all of these statements can be true at once.

Let’s get into why Nathalie could end up being the BIG BOSS through Mayura, and how we could have a helluva role reversal, and why Hawk Moth would be afraid of her.

First, without proper motivation it really didn’t make sense for Nathalie to become a big villain, or even a dark horse. Other than her ties with Gabriel, she was mostly portrayed as a devoted empty shell, with a few smacks of empathy for Adrien. This of course meant that Gabriel would have to be her only source of motivation to dare go above her station.

Enter scene with intimate, wifey hug from behind to Gabriel. BOOM. Motivation. Desire.

It’s interesting that Gabriel didn’t react at all. The man didn’t even flinch…which means this moment, and others like it, have played out before. But being that this is a kid’s show with a Disney logo in the corner, not much more can be suggested onscreen. Still, the audience is clearly told that the relationship isn’t purely professional.

Now, enter scene where Nathalie confronts Gabriel about quitting his goal of resuscitating his wife. Nathalie gets rejected, but with an unusual amount of civility on Gabriel’s part. Gabriel doesn’t get mad at her, even though her tone is stronger than usual. Even though she’s directly confronting him about his wife that he has been obsessed with for over a year. In fact, it takes a long time for him to finally answer her. Nathalie remains stoic, but blinks hard. Twice. This is something I love about a lot of French entertainment in particular. They often bother to insert subtle movements or expressions within the intended expression, whether enhancing, or in Nathalie’s case, contradicting her poise.

She leaves quickly, and we see one of the few times her face contorts, and reality crashes down on her. BOOM. A new conflict approaches.

Let’s talk a little about foreshadowing, because I think Nathalie is the shadow master, and the audience has always been given sneaky, off-putting hints.

Keep reading

miraculous ladybug ml spoilers MLspoilers LadyNoir ladybug and chat noir adrienette adrien x marinette adrien agreste gabriel agreste catalyst ml season 2 ml theory miraculous ladybug season 2 my post mayura

butterflooof

Us trying to figure out who Mayura is

me ml spoilers miraculous adrien agreste chat noir ladybug marinette dupain cheng miraculous ladybug mayura natalie emilie hawkmoth

familyagrestefanblog

Honestly? The biggest reason I don’t think Natalie is Mayura is because I can’t imagine that if she were her miraculous peacock outfit would look like this

Beside the turtleneck it simply doesn’t seem like Natalie at all. An elegant dress with included cut and trail, stiletto boots, fancy head accessory and no mask at all.

That’s also a thing I find odd, Mayura isn’t wearing any mask to hide her identity with. I mean c'mon even CHLOE wears a mask and her identity is already out to all of Paris! I’m not sure how this is supposed to work, everybody else is wearing a mask for protection and savety reasons but Mayura doesn’t bother with that. That’s.. just not the way Natalie would do it in my opinion. Natalie would, like Gabriel, conceal herself more than that and would choose a more practical outfit (I mean really? A fuck inconvenient trail??) in case the miraculous gang (is this how we call them? Someone correct me please) finds the lair and they have to face them. Also she is going to be the only miraculous holder without a mask and I have the feeling that has a bigger reason than just “style choice”. For some reason Mayura doesn’t bother with a mask and that’s just not something Natalie would do, colored skin or not this woman is smarter than that!

I actually wanted to keep this a short post with just the thought that I can’t imagine Natalie looking like this as the peacock but, oh well, the whole “Mayura is for some reason the only one who doesn’t bother with a mask” is actually anything but a minor detail and it fits perfectly into my “Emilie as Mayura is an akumatized miraculous villain” theory soooooooo… Meh I’m continuing my train of thoughts here, my post my rules

Here is the whole theory

https://familyagrestefanblog.tumblr.com/post/178858767667/yes-im-going-with-coma-i-dont-think-the-show

Alright. With this theory in mind I actually CAN explain why Emilie wouldn’t bother with a mask and choose the outfit she chose. As the theory says Emilie would still be comatose (or whatever) while transformed so Mayura would just be her subconscious mind. As other people already noticed Mayura basically just looks like a human version of Duusu

~~Bad picture but you get it~~

I’m not saying the other holders don’t look like their Kwamis, they certainly DO (beside Hawkmoth but I guess Gabriel didn’t wanted to play dress up as a magical animal which.. I UNDERSTAND HONESTLY) BUT with the others you immediately see that those are just costumes, you see that those are normal people in disguise, but Mayura? The blue skin, the eyes, the normal dress, no mask or gloves, this is not a villain disguise or any disguise at all, it’s an akumatized miraculous holder who wasn’t aware she would be a villain (or even a big part of something for long at all) when she subconsciously chose her outfit! Yes I rethought a bit of my theory, I don’t think Emilie will at first be aware that her husband is a villain and that’s why she’ll say yes to helping him. Maybe just the same as with Adrien he can’t bring himself to admit to her that THIS is the way he chose to save ~~her. It’s then afterwards when Emilies evilized subconscious takes over as Mayura that she finds out Gabriel is a villain but evil Emilie at this point already wouldnt mind that.~~

BACK ON TRACK

The way Mayura looks is really just a casual mix of Duusu and Emilie

Actually it’s a perfect balance unlike her husband or son. Because Gabriel decided to stay more Gabriel-like and almost no butterfly whereas Adrien threw his normal self out of the window and totally embraced the cat. Both of them were able to do that because they were conscious and very much aware of the importance of their disguise. Emilie would be not. That’s why Mayura is a mixture of casual fancy Emilie (she seemes to be a classy af lady) and Duusu.

miraculous miraculous ladybug adrien agreste cat noir chat noir gabriel agreste ml season 2 emilie agreste hawkmoth mama agreste ml theory ml mayura ml season 2 final ml season 3 mayura duusu ml duusu natalie sancoeur

starshipstories

Why is Mayura so far away?????

i need this episode yesterday miraculous ladybug ml season 2 mayura catalyst heroes day ml s2 adrienette ladynoir marichat ladrien adrien agreste marinette dupain cheng cat noir chat noir queen bee chole bourgeois rena rouge alya cesaire carapace nino lahiffe heroes day part 2 ml spoilers

geekgirles

Mayura

To be honest, I’ve always been part of Team Emilie, but after today’s episode if Nathalie were to be the peacock miraculous holder, I wouldn’t be surprised nor against it.

Besides, I have found the ultimate piece of evidence that proves this point:

THE TURTLE NECK

~~If in the end it’s Emilie, I called it too~~.

miraculous ladybug miraculous spoilers miraculous season 2 queen wasp style queen emilie agreste nathalie sancoeur mayura peacock miraculous peacock miraculous holder peacock peacock kwami duusu shitpost

more-aculous

Welcome to my ted talk.

So I just watched Catalyst episode(now one of my favs this ~~season~~ whole series) and I just wanted to share my thoughts about it and how this episode foreshadows certain things that might happen in the last episode..

Marinette faces the task of doing a “heroic deed” (even though she is Ladybug) for her classmates during heroes day. She makes promises to them about preparing an “effortful” tasting of different foods for the whole school (something about cakes, pastries,fruits and stuff..I just based it off the subtitles lol)

Of course the whole class is enticed by her idea especially Adrien (the smol bean really took the time to ask his father if he could go😭)

She tries to convince her parents to help her bake the pastries but their hands are also tied up as well (LB cake for the Mayor) and they couldn’t do anything about it. Marinette doesn’t want to be a disappointment to her class since she has promised them that she will do it.

“I made a big commitment to my class… Now I’m going to disappoint them all.”

Her mom advices her: “There’s still some time to tell them the truth. Your friends will understand.”

She replies along the lines : “that wouldn’t be heroic though”

But her mom tells her this:

“Having the courage to face your mistakes, that’s heroic.”

Instantly she replies back saying:

That’s right! There’s time for me to make these macaroons myself! (~~Not listening to what her mom just said, she ends up having burnt macaroons for the class. Yum)~~

My point is this:

Throughout the whole show, we’ve seen Ladybug performing the impossible, doing things her own way and never giving in to other’s opinion. There may be times that her actions depends on other people’s opinions especially when she is Marinette.

In certain episodes, Marinette is also naive and indescisve of her own actions. She tries to either ignore, forget or hide her mistakes which shows her being “human” at some point. SHE AVOIDS CONTRONTATION.

Like in Befana, she doesn’t want to disappoint her grandmother so she decides to hide her true feelings about going to the party while being unaware of the consequences of her own actions to her grandmother.

Or her descision to chicken out last minute when it comes to confessing her feelings to Adrien.

Or her indesciveness when it comes to choosing between Adrien and Luka ~~(you had two hands gurl. CHOOSE BOTH XD. Or just be with Kagami instead XD)~~

This is contrast to her persona as Ladybug who always seems brave, confident and somewhat decisive in making choices.

And almost all of the time, as Ladybug, she plans things and does things her own way. Although Chat Noir does help her out (even Carpace, Rena Rouge and Queen Bee), she always in control from planning to capturing the akuma.

But unknowingly, a storm is brewing.

This is where Catalyst comes in. The episode initiated change. It is not the change itself but the one merely responsible for it.

This episode poses as a sudden threat to not only the mircaulouses but also to that promise that Ladybug made in the first season: “protecting and keeping Paris safe from harm”.

This will be the starting breaking point that will initiate and foreshadow all conflicts in the last episode of the season which I believe is to happen at the “gala” mentioned by Natalie to Gabriel in the latest episode.

Basing from the current episode, my prediction is that the part 2 “Mayura” episode will begin where it last ended: the heroes may have prepared something for the occassion (of course) in the last scene of Catalyst.

In Mayura, this is where we begin to see Marinette’s shy and indecisive persona mainly emerging from Ladybug as the heroes try to defeat Catalsyt and Hawkmoth.

During S1&2, Ladybug, with Chat noir by her side, had to save and defend Paris from any impeding threat especially Hawkmoth. From a simple task: That’s a heavy burden to carry.

Until now, she faces a much bigger threat and she has all of the heroes by her side (which is awesome since this is the first time we meet them all together in one scene).

Yes, although there would be more hands to help her defeat Catalyst and Hawkmoth. There is also an increase chance of casualties present within the circle.

ThINK OF It. If ever any of them is captured/seized, one miraculous could become a major point for Hawkmoth’s side. By just seizing one of the heroes, hawkmoth could find a way to rat out the others thus, endangering not only themselves but also their families and even the whole of Paris!

~~Edit~~: Chat Noir could be a likely candiate for being one of the casualties in the last episode since he didn’t appear in the S3 poster👀

So just think of the burden and pressure that Ladybug has on her hands. Everything has to be perfectly planned out. A single blip, miss/error could practically ruin their chances of winning the game.

So, in Mayura, we could possibly see Ladybug and her gang following the plan to capture and defeat Hawkmoth. Everything goes perfectly but then-

the plan goes wrong.

A rising confict they didn’t expect, has happened.

Whether it is a reveal between characters/ Mayura being introduced in the episode/Natalie or Hawkmoth taking advantage of the situation

~~this idea might happen before the gala & the gala might be the cliff hanger for season 3. im calling it but i dont want that to happen~~

Inevitably, the heroes’ plan fails.

Similar to the incident wherein Marinette promises to make the food-tasting a reality in the catalyst episode.

We also begin to see Ladybug in a state of denial during the Mayura episode. She tries to keep everything under control but the plan goes horribly wrong. She tries to convince the heroes to keep on fighting but they couldn’t do it anymore. Similar to the response that she recieved from her parents, they simply can’t commit to do it. Fighting the akumas and saving Paris has come to a maximum limit.

Then, we begin to see the main breaking point: ladybug conflicted, once again, if she is really upto the task of defeating Hawkmoth & Catalyst.

Like in zombizou, now, the task is entirely upto her to fix the situation.

REMEMBER WHAT HER MOM SAID: “There’s still some time to tell them the truth. [They] will understand.” AND “Having the courage to face [it], that’s heroic.”

This is a long shot but I think her mom’s advice will help her at a crucial moment. Because this time, in order to resolve the problem: defeating Hawkmoth. First, she has to confront him. This is where the leaks of Ladybug with Hawkmoth in the secret basement perfectly fits. The episode will slowly unravel long-awaited truths the fandom has all been dying for since the first season. Ultimately, preparing the journey for season 3.

Ladybug gathers up her remaining her strength. Somehow, she captures Hawkmoth and seizes his Miraculous, but not realizing he and his akumas are just the cherry on top. Now, she has to look for the creme of the crop. The queen behind the King: ~~Natalie~~ ~~Catalyst~~ Mayura

While some of the heroes are looking catalyst (who somehow managed to become Mayura at this point), seeing that they have accomplished so much: uniting against all odds and “finally” defeating evil, they decided at some point to call off the search for the mean time as they decide to celebrate (thru the gala) since this time, they have captured Hawkmoth. (Not knowing her true powers) and besides, it’s heroes’ day!

Once again, Paris is now at peace and thanks to the heroes, everyone is safe from harm.

Or at least it seems to be.

As the gala begins, Mayura makes her debut as she disrupts the event, causing chaos

THEN-

Credits roll-

See you again the NEXT SeAsoN! 🙂🙃

BeCaUsE tHatS hOW THE SHoW WoRKS!

Sounds depressing right? But seeing the latest episode. Chat Noir uses cataclysm on himself… ~~is this even a kid’s show~~? I won’t be surprised if they pull of a cliff-hanger that will leave the fandom devasted. (I call dibs on this)

But I hope her pals would step in to help her and use all of their remaining strength and power to stop whatever brewing storm may be in the last episode and everything ends with a happily ever after. i dont want a cliff hanger pls

So basically my theory for the Mayura episode:

The episode will focus more on the heroes’ journey of defeating and discovering Hawkmoth’s true identity while setting up Mayura as the main villain for season 3
Details about the Miraculous, Gabriel’s motif behind the miraculous and Momma Agreste will be further revealed
~~This might be too early but i still want this to happen~~ There will be a crucial point wherein heroes/villains may reveal their real identities to each other
The gala will either be the next main location in the episode wherein the heroes’ plan will take place or it will be the place wherein Mayura will be revealed after Hawkmoth is initially defeated by the heroes—cliffhanger for the next season

PS if my speculations are wrong, at least this idea could be a potential fanfic or something LOL

Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

miraculous ladybug ml spoilers mlb season 2 catalyst mlb miraculous episodes finally mayura ladybug and chat noir adrien x marinette miraculous episodes season 2 adrienette mlb spoilers spoilers luka couffaine miraculous ladybug season 2 ml season 3

miraculousrubbish

When you remember the ML team have to defeat the villains and find where the akumas are hidden, all in a span of 21 minutes.

Ladybug constantly goin “Bye Bye little butterfly” in one episode oh geez I’m not ready.

BUT DO THEY REMEMBER miraculous ladybug miraculous ml spoilers catalyst mayura

imaginemae

Someone stops and screenshots this pic of Adrien and Ladybug. We know it’s not Gabriel because the next shot is him visiting his wife.

-DEBUNKED AFTER NETFLIX RELEASE-

In this scene as soon as Gabriel says “Cat Noir”, Nathalie glances toward Adrien.

Does Nathalie know who Adrien actually is? And she’s not telling Gabriel because she wants him to fail as Hawkmoth? So if he fails as Hawkmoth he can just move on?

-NOT YET DEBUNKED-

miraculous chat noir miraculous ladybug adrien marinette ladybug ml spoilers cat noir adrien agreste miraculous season two miraculous theory nathalie gabriel hawkmoth mayura